Are Dervs. really that bad in PVP? - Guild Wars Forums

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

So i recently made a Dervish.
And i've been asking some dervish the question: Are Dervishs good in PvP: and most of them say, they are really bad in PVP.
That was a huge demotivator because i like to PVP from time to time.

[Summary] Is this true, that Dervish are that bad in PvP?

BTW: Could anyone give me please some good PVP build for AB and RA.

PS: as u noticed my english isn't that great, please don't mind.

Darcryed · Oct 12, 2009, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I think dervishes can be pretty good in PvP.

I usually run a Wounding Strike build with an efficient self-healing, and I find that most warriors have trouble taking me down before I kill them. The build doesn't rely too much on enchants, except maybe for Heart of Fury, so the dervish is not vulnerable to enchantment strip.

Don't have the build on this computer, will post it if you really want it.

Xenex Xclame · Oct 12, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Well they arent that bad, its just that they arent that good.
Thats the problem, most of the time your better off taking a warrior.
Exception is for deep wound spamming.

I Angra I · Oct 12, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42

In higher end pvp they aren't good because of a series of nerfs they've had on them throughout the years, but for lower end pvp like RA and AB they're still perfectly usable and you can still win with them just fine.

ac1inferno · Oct 12, 2009, 05:44 PM // 17:44

The only real good build for Dervishes for PvP is Wounding Strike:

[build prof=Dervish/any Scythe=12+1+1 Mysticism=9+1 WindPrayers=9+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][optional][optional][Signet of Mystic Speed][Attacker's Insight][Heart of Fury][Resurrection Signet][/build]

The first optional slot is for another attack skill:
- [[Chilling [email protected]] is often used for its powerful damage.
- [[Crippling [email protected]] for a snare.
- [[Victorious [email protected]] for respectable spammable damage and conditional health gain.
- [[Wild Blow] for an unblockable critical attack along with stance removal.

The second optional slot is free for any profession, here are some popular options:
- [[Faithful [email protected]] for its long lasting enchantment and fueling of [[Wounding [email protected]].
- [[Conjure [email protected]] or any other Conjure for increased DPS and even more fuel for [[Wounding [email protected]] and [[Mystic [email protected]]. (Take one point from both Mysticism and Wind Prayers than up your elemental attribute to 7).
- [[Hex [email protected]] for protection against powerful anti-melee hexes (take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Domination to 5).
- [[Grasping [email protected]] for an AoE snare (synergies with [[Rending [email protected]]). (Take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Earth Magic to 5).
- [[Song of Concentration] to prevent interrupts on the Ghostly Hero in HA.

MagmaRed · Oct 12, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Short answer: No.
Long answer: PvP they are average, not good, and not bad, just average.

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

thanks for all the replies guys.

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ac1inferno

The only real good build for Dervishes for PvP is Wounding Strike:

[build prof=Dervish/any Scythe=12+1+1 Mysticism=9+1 WindPrayers=9+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][optional][optional][Signet of Mystic Speed][Attacker's Insight][Heart of Fury][Resurrection Signet][/build]

The first optional slot is for another attack skill:
- [[Chilling [email protected]] is often used for its powerful damage.
- [[Crippling [email protected]] for a snare.
- [[Victorious [email protected]] for respectable spammable damage and conditional health gain.
- [[Wild Blow] for an unblockable critical attack along with stance removal.

The second optional slot is free for any profession, here are some popular options:
- [[Faithful [email protected]] for its long lasting enchantment and fueling of [[Wounding [email protected]].
- [[ @7] or any other Conjure for increased DPS and even more fuel for [[Wounding [email protected]] and [[Mystic [email protected]]. (Take one point from both Mysticism and Wind Prayers than up your elemental attribute to 7).
- [[Hex [email protected]] for protection against powerful anti-melee hexes (take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Domination to 5).
- [[Grasping [email protected]] for an AoE snare (synergies with [[Rending [email protected]]). (Take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Earth Magic to 5).
- [[Song of Concentration] to prevent interrupts on the Ghostly Hero in HA.

Do u have perhaps the Armor Template of it?
Would u suggest Faithful Intervention + Chilling victory and Remove ress for Conjure Lightning in AB?

Gift3d · Oct 12, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

i honestly think dervs are the worst pvp class in guild wars. think about it. there is no dervish bar that's played in any sort of pvp that requires skill and talent to play well with. none. like how you can tell a good warrior from a bad warrior - all dervs play the same. they have next to no utility and there's nothing they can do in pvp that another class can't do better. i lied, they pop deep wounds off pretty quick. but it's a very simple, mediocre class. they crit hard and have deep wound, the end.

Darcryed · Oct 12, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Personally I don't like conjure builds, you have sacrifice points in Mysticism or Scythe Mastery for a secondary attribute and I really don't think it's worth it. Invest those points in SM and you'll do plenty of dmg.

IninefingersI · Oct 12, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by gift3d

i honestly think dervs are the worst pvp class in guild wars. Think about it. There is no dervish bar that's played in any sort of pvp that requires skill and talent to play well with. None.

oh, really????

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gift3d

i honestly think dervs are the worst pvp class in guild wars. think about it. there is no dervish bar that's played in any sort of pvp that requires skill and talent to play well with. none. like how you can tell a good warrior from a bad warrior - all dervs play the same. they have next to no utility and there's nothing they can do in pvp that another class can't do better. i lied, they pop deep wounds off pretty quick. but it's a very simple, mediocre class. they crit hard and have deep wound, the end.

I think you are somewhat true, but still, you can tell which player is good and which isn't.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 12, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Dervs are underestimated in PvP imo. A good derv can kill shit with WS just as effectively as any sin or war. Not to mention they can add party support and utility from their already specced primary attribute. I'd like to see an A/D keep watchful up on his arena team or imbue his monk to relieve pressure.

As for a build for RA, search ninefinger's echo healer. By far the best build you can use since you can't always rely on having a monk (if you're using WS).

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

Dervs are underestimated in PvP imo. A good derv can kill shit with WS just as effectively as any sin or war. Not to mention they can add party support and utility from their already specced primary attribute. I'd like to see an A/D keep watchful up on his arena team or imbue his monk to relieve pressure.

As for a build for RA, search ninefinger's echo healer. By far the best build you can use since you can't always rely on having a monk (if you're using WS).

Okay thanks, but i am a very bad healer, because of my lags.

IninefingersI · Oct 12, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geert Jan

Okay thanks, but i am a very bad healer, because of my lags.

Ya know, if you have a decent ping and still lag a lot, optimize your HDD.

If your GW.dat gets fragmented, it can make you lag, or make it much worse if your already lagging.

YDP · Oct 12, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Dervs have the slowest attack speed, no interrupts & no knockdowns for one. They are still good in some HA builds(hexway) and Avatar of Dwayna with plauge touch is pretty decent in RA. One Derv with wounding strike can give 3 deep wounds of adjacent foes every 3 seconds.

They nerf the slowest attacking melee units skills -mystic sweep/erimites because of old sway yet the sin(fasting attacking melee) gets 2 attack skills increased...great balance there anet.

Eskimoz · Oct 12, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

It's not that Dervs are bad....it's just that Warriors and Sins can do it better.

Geert Jan · Oct 12, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by IninefingersI

Ya know, if you have a decent ping and still lag a lot, optimize your HDD.

If your GW.dat gets fragmented, it can make you lag, or make it much worse if your already lagging.

How do i defragment my GW.dat ?

ll Jamie ll · Oct 12, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geert Jan

How do i defragment my GW.dat ?

Download a defragmentation tool, they are easy to use.

Check out This thread and just look under where it says Defragmenting, i use IObit SmartDefrag due to ease of use.

But anyway ontopic i agree with the people saying that there is nothing a derv can do that another class can't do better.

(IMO) there is only one thing a derv is good for in PvP, Ebon Dust Aura spear chucker (Blindbot) Link to the build <---- I really don't know why that build is still under the "good" catagory, it should be in the"great" catagory! But then again... it's only good if theres a melee/rang/para.

shoyon456 · Oct 12, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eskimoz

It's not that Dervs are bad....it's just that Warriors and Sins can do it better.

This. And you should be able to see where my bias is, my main is a derv and it is my favorite class. The warrior and sin primaries are much better for melee than a derv's Mysticism will ever be. The exception lies in PvE where the PvE only skills and perma Godform can level it out if not exceed the sin and warrior.

If you plan on doing PvP competitively, drop the derv immediately. If you plan on PvP'ing for shits 'n giggles or mainly just doing PvE, stick with the derv.

my Derv-biased 2 cents

Oct 12, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22	#1
Geert Jan Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: R/Mo	Are Dervs. really that bad in PVP? So i recently made a Dervish. And i've been asking some dervish the question: Are Dervishs good in PvP: and most of them say, they are really bad in PVP. That was a huge demotivator because i like to PVP from time to time. [Summary] Is this true, that Dervish are that bad in PvP? BTW: Could anyone give me please some good PVP build for AB and RA. PS: as u noticed my english isn't that great, please don't mind.

Oct 12, 2009, 05:26 PM // 17:26	#2
Darcryed Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008	I think dervishes can be pretty good in PvP. I usually run a Wounding Strike build with an efficient self-healing, and I find that most warriors have trouble taking me down before I kill them. The build doesn't rely too much on enchants, except maybe for Heart of Fury, so the dervish is not vulnerable to enchantment strip. Don't have the build on this computer, will post it if you really want it.

Oct 12, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#3
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	Well they arent that bad, its just that they arent that good. Thats the problem, most of the time your better off taking a warrior. Exception is for deep wound spamming.

Oct 12, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42	#4
I Angra I Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Napa, CA Guild: Inadequately Equipped [GeAr] Profession: R/N	In higher end pvp they aren't good because of a series of nerfs they've had on them throughout the years, but for lower end pvp like RA and AB they're still perfectly usable and you can still win with them just fine.

Oct 12, 2009, 05:44 PM // 17:44	#5
ac1inferno Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston Guild: We D Shot Your Stances [GODS] Profession: A/W	The only real good build for Dervishes for PvP is Wounding Strike: [build prof=Dervish/any Scythe=12+1+1 Mysticism=9+1 WindPrayers=9+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][optional][optional][Signet of Mystic Speed][Attacker's Insight][Heart of Fury][Resurrection Signet][/build] The first optional slot is for another attack skill: - [[Chilling [email protected]] is often used for its powerful damage. - [[Crippling [email protected]] for a snare. - [[Victorious [email protected]] for respectable spammable damage and conditional health gain. - [[Wild Blow] for an unblockable critical attack along with stance removal. The second optional slot is free for any profession, here are some popular options: - [[Faithful [email protected]] for its long lasting enchantment and fueling of [[Wounding [email protected]]. - [[Conjure [email protected]] or any other Conjure for increased DPS and even more fuel for [[Wounding [email protected]] and [[Mystic [email protected]]. (Take one point from both Mysticism and Wind Prayers than up your elemental attribute to 7). - [[Hex [email protected]] for protection against powerful anti-melee hexes (take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Domination to 5). - [[Grasping [email protected]] for an AoE snare (synergies with [[Rending [email protected]]). (Take one from Mysticism or Wind Prayers and put up Earth Magic to 5). - [[Song of Concentration] to prevent interrupts on the Ghostly Hero in HA.

Oct 12, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10	#6
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Short answer: No. Long answer: PvP they are average, not good, and not bad, just average.

Oct 12, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22	#7
Geert Jan Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: R/Mo	thanks for all the replies guys.

Oct 12, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35	#9
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	i honestly think dervs are the worst pvp class in guild wars. think about it. there is no dervish bar that's played in any sort of pvp that requires skill and talent to play well with. none. like how you can tell a good warrior from a bad warrior - all dervs play the same. they have next to no utility and there's nothing they can do in pvp that another class can't do better. i lied, they pop deep wounds off pretty quick. but it's a very simple, mediocre class. they crit hard and have deep wound, the end.

Oct 12, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36	#10
Darcryed Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008	Personally I don't like conjure builds, you have sacrifice points in Mysticism or Scythe Mastery for a secondary attribute and I really don't think it's worth it. Invest those points in SM and you'll do plenty of dmg.

Oct 12, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10	#13
~ Dan ~ Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2006 Profession: D/	Dervs are underestimated in PvP imo. A good derv can kill shit with WS just as effectively as any sin or war. Not to mention they can add party support and utility from their already specced primary attribute. I'd like to see an A/D keep watchful up on his arena team or imbue his monk to relieve pressure. As for a build for RA, search ninefinger's echo healer. By far the best build you can use since you can't always rely on having a monk (if you're using WS).

Oct 12, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13	#16
YDP Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: E/Me	Dervs have the slowest attack speed, no interrupts & no knockdowns for one. They are still good in some HA builds(hexway) and Avatar of Dwayna with plauge touch is pretty decent in RA. One Derv with wounding strike can give 3 deep wounds of adjacent foes every 3 seconds. They nerf the slowest attacking melee units skills -mystic sweep/erimites because of old sway yet the sin(fasting attacking melee) gets 2 attack skills increased...great balance there anet.

Oct 12, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34	#17
Eskimoz Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: My house Profession: W/	It's not that Dervs are bad....it's just that Warriors and Sins can do it better.